What do you think of the changes to the heritage guidelines for Colonel Light Gardens?

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This online engagement was hosted on YourSAy from 11 December 2020 to 1 February 2021. Find out more about the consultation process. Below is a record of the engagement process.

 

Have your say on changes to heritage guidelines for Colonel Light Gardens that aim to protect this garden suburb’s significant heritage.

The draft updated guidelines will be used:

  • by Heritage SA in assessing development applications that may impact on state heritage values
  • to provide advice to property owners planning to restore, alter or develop their property
  • by Mitcham Council in assessing applications in the Colonel Light Gardens State Heritage Area, where relevant.

The guidelines will affect how development is undertaken in Colonel Light Gardens. Residents, and others with an interest in the State Heritage Area, are invited to provide feedback.

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Provide your feedback by commenting below.

Please note: Your feedback may be made publicly available unless you indicate on your submission that you wish for this to remain confidential. Surveys do not identify individuals however text responses may be made publically available. Any responses that are made on a confidential basis may still be subject to access under Freedom of Information laws.

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David Hanna

01 Feb 2021

The South Australian Heritage Council welcomes the updated draft heritage guidelines for the Colonel Light Gardens State Heritage Area. The Council has reviewed the draft guidelines and has provided a submission to Heritage South Australia. The Council thanks Heritage SA for the opportunity to comment and for conducting this open and transparent consultation. (David Hanna, Executive Officer, SA Heritage Council).

Debra Simmons

19 Jan 2021

My family (Storer) were the original sheep farmers that gave away or sold, very cheaply, the land that CLG now sits on and it's surrounding suburbs. When they envisioned what CLG would look like in the future they expected that those returning from the war, and their future families, would need to be able to have a decent veggie patch, fruit and nut trees, some chickens, and maybe a horse, in their backyards. The front yard was meant to be able to entertain guests. The bungalow design was Aunty Jill's idea for she considered that the houses would need to stay cool during the relentless summers and therefore would need high pitched roofs and verandahs. They did not expect that CLG would become heritage listed although they did hope that the properties would be able to support many generations of families and keep them from hardship. It is of my opinion that families still need a veggie patch, fruit trees and productive pets. The sideyards between houses were supposed to be lined with trees to create habitable microclimates. Rainwater collection was a necessity and is still a valid way of supporting the garden during times of drought. I am in favour of internal plastic lined steel rainwater tanks.
Multiple cars is not a sustainable option for the future, and will be phased out. Therefore they should not be able to be used as reason for changing the style of the area. Public transport corridors were included in the original plan.
The 6 x 3m corrugated iron shed was and still should be, a backyard necessity. A long gravel driveway in front of it can hold four or five visitors' cars if it is not blocked by a carport. This keeps the streets clear for access.
It was expected that if the houses were built and maintained well, they would survive for many generations. Their ancestors came from Scotland, where there are still many houses built hundreds of years ago. My Aunty Mag lived to be 99.5, she was the oldest resident of CLG for a long time. She lived in the same bungalow for 80 years (she lived at 22 Kingston Ave, Daw Park before that, if you are wondering where the original sheep farmers residence is).
Parklands for the children was also a necessity, as was a place for bigger trees. Plane trees could be replaced with less allergenic and messy varieties though, as they die off. The red gums are still viable though. My Uncle Dean was a carpenter and grew quite a few in the area to be harvested and replaced eventually.
My grandfather went to Mitcham Primary back in the 1920's, which was quite a hike. Our parents and my brother and I were pleased that we could go to CLG instead. It is a lovely school. I hope it's aesthetic can be preserved.
I hope that CLG can be preserved as much as possible, for as long as possible. There are very few hundred year old idealistic visions left in the world. As such CLG is precious and should be treated as such. I feel that we need this example of sustainable living in a suburban setting to show that there is a viable way to survive in the future.

Philip Knight > Debra Simmons

21 Jan 2021

Are you able to identify the parcels of land previously owned by your family? My understanding is the land that comprises CLG today was purchased from the Mortlock, Hanns and Shobbrock families.

Debra Simmons > Debra Simmons

22 Jan 2021

They owned the land from Winston Ave to Eagle on the Hill. Thomas Storer originally purchased it for a shilling an acre back in the 1850s. They sold off bits from the 1880s through to the 1960s. Many people owned small holdings of the land between then and now.

Christopher Barry > Debra Simmons

25 Jan 2021

" The bungalow design was Aunty Jill's idea.." is cute comment. Although the comments about their advantages are pertinent, bungalows were the fashionable architectural style of the 1920s. Aunt Jill simply appreciated that.

James Abbott

19 Jan 2021

CB, when the suburb was first designed multiple cars were not really considered, the guidelines currently allow for a carport. If there is too much kickback from the loud minority the government will stop listening and move forward anyway (which is effectively what has happened with the new planning and approval laws). It’s better that we conserve the old and embrace the new at the same time. It’s just not practical to leave the old houses standing alone, they weren’t meant to last 100+ years. It takes money to conserve them and if there are too many restrictions you won’t attract people who can afford to conserve them. Even if there are bigger setbacks it doesn’t guarantee that owners will plant a garden. I agree that access should remain from front to rear also which is why I believe open carports with through access is all that should be allowed.

Christopher Barry > James Abbott

25 Jan 2021

You are right on many points. The original dwellings can last much longer than 100 years. Re-pointing the brick courses with lime mortar & maintaining or replacing timber trims etc there is no reason why a house cannot last 5 times that providing the foundations are sound. Money for conservation or money for demolition & rebuilding - I would think the former was better value.

James Abbott

18 Jan 2021

I don’t agree with setback of 900mm from side boundaries for carport posts. There are many examples of sympathetic open carports with posts close to boundaries. If a boundary survey is completed prior to post install what is the issue?

Christopher Barry > James Abbott

19 Jan 2021

I believe that 900mm is too close if near the original building frontage. Terraced housing is the irreconcilable with Garden Suburb Town Planning principles because the built form dominates the streetscape. In Colonel Light Gardens there should be plantings between individual dwellings to promote the parks & gardens theme. Personally I think building to the boundary should be allowed behind the original dwelling on one side only. Access from the front should always be maintained so there is no reliance on access from the rear lane except on odd occasions. Colonel Light Gardens is a beautiful suburb and it's important to maintain it's design principles or it will be devalued.

Philip Knight

10 Jan 2021

"Section 2.1 What is of heritage significance" appears to have some most significant omissions. Can you advise as to why these heritage features were omitted?

Government Agency

Heritage SA > Philip Knight

11 Jan 2021

Thank you for your 3 comments Philip. Can you please include these queries in a formal submission, with particular examples to explain your concerns. We will then consider them as part of the review of the updated guidelines. Many thanks.

Philip Knight > Philip Knight

12 Jan 2021

Your reply was disappointing.
The matters I have raised are required for the preparation of the formal submission.
Would you please escalate this enquiry to someone who has the capacity to provide the information requested?

Philip Knight

10 Jan 2021

Can you please detail why you chose to use only three reference documents (see1.4 of the Draft Guidelines)?
These seem particularly inadequate for the purpose. the Conservation Study does not appear to be available for review. The last time I looked at it I found around 30 statements which does not accord with the source documents.

The Conservation Management Plan is just riddled with errors, again based on the source documents.

Philip Knight

10 Jan 2021

1. Do the draft Guidelines accurately represent the known documentary material relating to Garden Suburb Planning, and in particular, to the original planning intent for Colonel Light Gardens?
2. Are the draft Guidelines limited to deal only with the Garden Suburb design principles known in 1917 where they were applied to Colonel Light Gardens?
3. Where the original documentation would indicate a different position to that set out in the draft Guidelines, what process is to take place to resolve that inconsistency?

Christopher Barry

22 Dec 2020

My 2 main concerns for CLG is site coverage & the character of additions.
1. CLG is first & foremost a great example of Garden Suburb Town Planning with the emphasis on "Garden". Some recent new developments in CLG have shown lovely sympathetic architecture but have been built to the extent that almost no back garden remains. This is seriously at odds with Garden Suburb Town Planning Principles. There must be a significant front garden for the opportunity for show & to contribute to the streetscape. There MUST be a significant rear garden for recreation.
2. Some recent extensions have been done that at odds with the original structure to the point that is constitutes a "jarring point". This is seriously at odds with Garden Suburb Town Planning principles too. The policy of making extensions look different must be abandoned in favour of something that looks aesthetically acceptable & doesn't detract from the character of the original.
Heritage value of CLG lies in its design town planning principles first & it's architecture second.

Government Agency

Colonel Light Gardens - Heritage Guidelines > Christopher Barry

22 Dec 2020

Thank you for your comments, Christopher. We will consider them in reviewing and finalising the updated guidelines.

Guy D > Christopher Barry

19 Jan 2021

Yes. It's no longer the garden suburb as planned if most of the gardens are built on. The garden sizes are part of the local heritage criteria I thought. If we can't protect green space in Colonel Light GARDENS, what hope do we have anywhere else? Sigh.

Christopher Barry > Christopher Barry

19 Jan 2021

Thank you. Well said.

A Resident

21 Dec 2020

3.5.1(c) "Vehicular access to properties off laneways is not appropriate".

Is this a new addition to the development plan?
Is this referring to carport/garages off the rear laneway?

This concerns me as an owner of a property which makes use of the rear laneway for vehicle access (albeit infrequent use). Walking around the neighbourhood, I see many other properties which have made use of the rear laneway for this purpose too. What is going to be the impact of this change? Can this pre-existing structures be replaced with this purpose in mind?

Christopher Barry > A Resident

22 Dec 2020

I agree that regular vehicular access to laneways is not appropriate, the laneways are only 16 feet wide and passing another vehicle in a CLG laneway is very difficult. However where regular access has occurred then that householder has an argument to maintain that access. Planning decisions should discourage such access but this has not been the case in the past.

Government Agency

Colonel Light Gardens - Heritage Guidelines > A Resident

22 Dec 2020

Thank you for your comments, A Resident and Christopher. We will consider them in reviewing and finalising the updated guidelines.
Re your questions about vehicle access via laneways, A Resident, our Colonel Light Gardens expert is taking a well-deserved break but I will ask him to respond in the New Year...

Mitch Cleghorn

19 Dec 2020

Prior to development or ground works in heritage areas, or within the lot or tenement of a state or locally listed heritage site, archaeological works must be undertaken to ensure that no harm is done to intact archaeological contexts.

Government Agency

Colonel Light Gardens - Heritage Guidelines > Mitch Cleghorn

22 Dec 2020

Thank you for your comment, Mitch. We will consider it in reviewing and finalising the updated guidelines.

chris nichols

17 Dec 2020

1. Footpaths and driveways - Generally, bitumen footpaths are recommended. Segmental concrete pavers are not appropriate. This is not best practice from a house structural perspective (structural cracking) and environmental health point of view (maintaining streetscape tree health). Bitumen does not allow rainwater to permiate into the soil and provide moisture to the roadside trees - furthermore stormwater runoff would increase causing serious flooding impacts.
2. Compacted gravel surfaces are encouraged in some cases for footpaths. This is currently a serious dust issues for residents. Promoting this type of footpath finish would only exasperate the issue. Furthermore gravel footpaths would be a maintanence issue for Council resulting in hazardous potholes posing serious tripping hazard the Council does not want to be responsible for.
3. Exterior painting - Colours common to Interwar period – crèmes and greens, ‘ochre’ based colours - no white colours. I'm all for heritage (hence the reason why I live in CLG) however to restrict the colour palette to 3 colours is not justifiable given whites and greys are also heritage colours for bungalows. A three colour suburb would make CLG the most boring, monocoloured suburb to live in and would be detrimental in encouraging young, enthusiastic and vibrant families from coming into CLG. I have lived in CLG for the the past 15 years and have seen the transformation of CLG from a retirment village to a vibrant suburb full of young families who are revitalising CLG.
4. Services and infrastructure - Utility infrastructure and services should be installed within the utility laneways - Power lines and stobie poles are not acceptable. I agree and all powerlines should be installed underground in the laneways.

Christopher Barry > chris nichols

22 Dec 2020

1. Paved footpaths let very little water into the soil if any. Pavers are a local product but bitumen is imported.
2. I have had a gravel driveway for decades. It does not pose a dust problem. The maintenance is in weed control. It is cheap, natural and the soil beneath still breathes and lives. Furthermore burglars hate it because of the noise it makes. We are elderly and we have never had a tripping problem with gravel.
3. I am sure there will be more than 3 colours to chose from.
4. I agree that all infrastructure should come in from back lanes as it was originally meant to. We have HT power lines for the next suburb in East Parkway. Under grounding them would be great. Water & NBN come from the front unfortunately. Under grounding power in the back lanes would be nice but I don't think we would win that one.

chris nichols > chris nichols

22 Dec 2020

So CB are you recommending bitumen footpaths over paved footpaths as stated in the guidelines?

Government Agency

Colonel Light Gardens - Heritage Guidelines > chris nichols

22 Dec 2020

Thank you for your comments, Chris and Christopher! We will consider them in reviewing and finalising the updated guidelines.

Philip Knight > chris nichols

17 Jan 2021

Like so much in these draft Guidelines, it is wrong.
Bitumen was not the original paving material for the footpaths in the suburb. Sadly the document reflects appalling research standards.
As for the paint colours, the colours Heritage SA are setting out do not reflect the wide range of colours available in the 1920s. These were set out in an original paint colour sample book I arranged to be loaned to Heritage SA staff years ago. But they 'lost' it and it was never returned to the person who had allowed my access to their copy.

As for the power poles in the laneways, that is one of the many reasons that the laneways were included in the design; the provision of services. It was clearly documented in the Proceedings.
The high voltage transmission lines along the eastern boundary and Goodwood Road should be undergrounded.

Christopher Barry > chris nichols

19 Jan 2021

chris nichols no I don't support bitumen footpaths over paved ones. There were considerations on this topic years ago. Bitumen was not an original footpath surface in CLG. The grey concrete pavers currently used more closely resemble the early footpaths. Furthermore they are locally produced, not imported. Pavers last longer but can shift with soil movement. The advantage of these pavers is they can be reset to restore a flat & flush surface.